From - Mon Jan 5 20:12:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.38]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with SMTP id i05JCaaW093616 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:12:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20040105191236.11866.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.27.143.90] by web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:12:36 CET Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:12:36 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel=20Hernandez=20Hernandez?= Subject: holes in a figure To: metafont@ens.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello I'm newie on metafont. I'm reading the book of John D. Hobby: A User's manual for MetaPost, but I don't find the way of make paths with holes. For example if I like fill the char "o" I use a second path and fill white the hole with the unfill command. fill (100,0)..(0,100)..(-100,0)..(0,-100)..cycle; unfill (50,0)..(0,50)..(-50,0)..(0,-50)..cycle; But this way is not exactly that I like, because the unfill command clear the background. Another way is cut the filled area. fill (100,0)..(0,100)..(-100,0)..(0,-100)..(100,0) --(50,0)..(0,50)..(-50,0)..(0,-50)..(50,0)--cycle; But in this way if I draw the path appears a line that I don't like to draw, ie (100,0)--(50,0). Exists a command like fill p rested q That draw a path p with a hole formed by q? Exists other conjuntists commands like intersections, unions, complements, xor? Thanks Daniel Hernandez ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... http://messenger.yahoo.es From - Mon Jan 5 21:16:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.gwdg.de (mailer.gwdg.de [134.76.10.26]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i05KGFaW012500 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:16:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=gwdg.de) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Adb93-0003Ee-El; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:16:13 +0100 From: "Laurence Finston" Cc: metafont@ens.fr Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:16:13 +0100 Subject: Re: [metafont] holes in a figure To: Daniel Hernandez Hernandez User-Agent: IMHO/0.98.3+G (Webmail for Roxen) X-Originating-IP: lfinsto1[134.76.139.106] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In-Reply-To: <20040105191236.11866.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie One way of doing what you want is to draw the path with a pen of the correct width. You'll have to adjust the coordinates of the points on your path, or scale it before you draw it. I strongly recommend that you study Knuth's _The METAFONTbook_. The MetaPost documentation is rather terse. Laurence Finston ------------------- > Hello > > I'm newie on metafont. I'm reading the book of > John D. Hobby: A User's manual for MetaPost, > but I don't find the way of make paths with holes. > For example if I like fill the char "o" I use a second > path and fill white the hole with the unfill command. > > fill (100,0)..(0,100)..(-100,0)..(0,-100)..cycle; > unfill (50,0)..(0,50)..(-50,0)..(0,-50)..cycle; > > But this way is not exactly that I like, because > the unfill command clear the background. Another > way is cut the filled area. > > fill (100,0)..(0,100)..(-100,0)..(0,-100)..(100,0) > --(50,0)..(0,50)..(-50,0)..(0,-50)..(50,0)--cycle; > > But in this way if I draw the path appears a line > that I don't like to draw, ie (100,0)--(50,0). > > Exists a command like > > fill p rested q > > That draw a path p with a hole formed by q? > > Exists other conjuntists commands like intersections, > unions, complements, xor? > > Thanks > Daniel Hernandez > > ___________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS > Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... > http://messenger.yahoo.es > From - Mon Jan 5 23:46:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.uark.edu (mail.uark.edu [130.184.5.66]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i05MkfaW049540 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:46:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from mathfolk.uark.edu ([130.184.197.23]) by mailhost.uark.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HR100MBXGJMK1@mailhost.uark.edu> for metafont@ens.fr; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:45:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:47:28 -0600 From: Dan Luecking Subject: Re: [metafont] holes in a figure In-reply-to: <20040105191236.11866.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Sender: luecking@mail.uark.edu To: metafont@ens.fr Message-id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040105163723.00b58418@mail.uark.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 08:12 PM 1/5/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hello > >I'm newie on metafont. I'm reading the book of >John D. Hobby: A User's manual for MetaPost, >but I don't find the way of make paths with holes. >For example if I like fill the char "o" I use a second >path and fill white the hole with the unfill command. > >fill (100,0)..(0,100)..(-100,0)..(0,-100)..cycle; >unfill (50,0)..(0,50)..(-50,0)..(0,-50)..cycle; > >But this way is not exactly that I like, because >the unfill command clear the background. Another >way is cut the filled area. Draw on a different picture, then add that picture: picture X; X:= begingroup save currentpicture fill (100,0)..(0,100)..(-100,0)..(0,-100)..cycle; unfill (50,0)..(0,50)..(-50,0)..(0,-50)..cycle; cullit; currentpicture endgroup; % now the "O" is on picture X. addto currentpicture also X; >But in this way if I draw the path appears a line >that I don't like to draw, ie (100,0)--(50,0). What's the harm if it isn't visible? If you actually see a line of white pixels, trace them again: draw (100,0)--(50,0) withpen penspeck; >Exists a command like > >fill p rested q Unfortunately, no. Dan Daniel H. Luecking Department of Mathematical Sciences University of Arkansas From - Fri Jan 9 15:10:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk ([195.168.92.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i09EAaaW084679 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:10:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i09E9KH3009541 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:09:20 +0100 Received: (from fred@localhost) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i09E9Kiw009539 for metafont@ens.fr; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:09:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:09:20 +0100 From: franciszek holop To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: graphs and ticks Message-ID: <20040109140920.GA8770@pentacom.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 hello list, i really would like to learn metapost, mostly it's graph part. i am used to strange syntaxes and i am really not the wysiwyg guy from across the street, but hell, this is the hardest thing i have come over in years. maybe i am just stupid.. must be this. please consider the following simple example: % year2001.mp input graph warningcheck:=0; defaultfont:="ptmr8r"; beginfig(2001) draw begingraph(6cm,4cm) gdraw "2001.d" withpen pencircle scaled 2bp withcolor blue; glabel.ulft(btex man etex, 6); gdraw "2001.d" withpen pencircle scaled 2bp withcolor red; glabel.ulft(btex woman etex, 6); otick.bot("jan", 1); otick.bot("dec", 12); autogrid(,otick.lft); endgraph; endfig; % 2001.d 2504 2504 2504 2505 2505 2507 2507 2507 2510 2511 2515 2515 issues: 1. defaultfont:="ptmr8r"; but the labels (not the ticks) are still typeset using cmr12. i have some 10 graphs all in all, and ultimately i want to put them into one single report. ``mptopdf'' embeds the font every time, and the file is growing very big. the mpgraph.pdf says, the labels are typeset using defaultfont, so why cmr12? 2. if the data keeps repeating, or the delta's are small, metapost happily makes ticks labeled the same number. at least, that's my impression. for example the y axis of the graph from the above datafile looks like this: +--------- 2520 -+ | 2510 -+ | 2510 -+ | 2500 -+ | 2500 -+ | 2490 -+ | +--------- of course when i set manually: otick.lft("2490", 2490); otick.lft("2500", 2500); otick.lft("2510", 2510); otick.lft("2520", 2520); everything is fine, but what if i had thousands of graphs to make, do i have to check every one of them for this issue? 3. how can i control the number of ticks on my graphs? for example i would like to unify the graphs in a way that the number of ticks on axis y is always 4? -f ps. i am having problems getting the archive, so forgive me if this is old bone... -- minds, like parachutes, work only when open. From - Mon Jan 12 06:49:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from pns3.brandenburg.de (pns3.brandenburg.de [194.76.232.167]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0C5neaW071795 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:49:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from www5.brandenburg.de (firewall-user@www5.brandenburg.de [194.76.232.139]) by pns3.brandenburg.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0C5nc3g025662; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:49:38 +0100 Received: from NN Mailserver by LDS_FW Mailserver Received: from nodnsquery(10.128.9.41) by www5.brandenburg.de via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAa10249; Mon, 12 Jan 04 06:49:37 +0100 Received: from NN Mailserver by LDS_I Mailserver Received: from lbapdm.brandenburg.de (unknown [10.213.101.107]) by imap.lbapdm.brandenburg.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id A216E8EC8C; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:49:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4002356F.5050803@lbapdm.brandenburg.de> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:49:35 +0100 From: Lutz Haseloff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-DE; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: de-de, de-at, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: franciszek holop , metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] graphs and ticks References: <20040109140920.GA8770@pentacom.sk> In-Reply-To: <20040109140920.GA8770@pentacom.sk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit franciszek holop schrieb: > hello list, > > i really would like to learn metapost, mostly it's graph part. > > i am used to strange syntaxes and i am really not the wysiwyg > guy from across the street, but hell, this is the hardest thing > i have come over in years. maybe i am just stupid.. must be this. > > please consider the following simple example: > > % year2001.mp > input graph > warningcheck:=0; > defaultfont:="ptmr8r"; > > beginfig(2001) > draw begingraph(6cm,4cm) > gdraw "2001.d" withpen pencircle scaled 2bp withcolor blue; > glabel.ulft(btex man etex, 6); > gdraw "2001.d" withpen pencircle scaled 2bp withcolor red; > glabel.ulft(btex woman etex, 6); > > otick.bot("jan", 1); > otick.bot("dec", 12); > autogrid(,otick.lft); > endgraph; > endfig; > > % 2001.d > 2504 > 2504 > 2504 > 2505 > 2505 > 2507 > 2507 > 2507 > 2510 > 2511 > 2515 > 2515 > > issues: > 1. defaultfont:="ptmr8r"; but the labels (not the ticks) are > still typeset using cmr12. i have some 10 graphs all in all, > and ultimately i want to put them into one single report. > ``mptopdf'' embeds the font every time, and the file is growing > very big. the mpgraph.pdf says, the labels are typeset using > defaultfont, so why cmr12? Labels between btex ... etex are typeset by TeX, not by Metapost, so in your case glabel.ulft(btex woman etex, 6); will use the default tex font cmr12 glabel.ulft("woman", 6); will use the metapost defaultfont ptmr8r. Sorry, that i can't help you further. Greetings Lutz From - Tue Jan 13 09:33:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (smtp1.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.30]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0D8XVaW074060 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:33:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf0101 (wwinf0101 [172.22.132.28]) by mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 47FA7C00010A for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:33:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <15945825.1073982809284.JavaMail.www@wwinf0101> From: blancdecoeur Reply-To: blancdecoeur@wanadoo.fr To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: texte en couleur dans un fichier metapost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40233_11528484.1073982809281" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:33:29 +0100 (CET) ------=_Part_40233_11528484.1073982809281 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bonjour Comment doit on faire pour mettre du texte en couleur dans un fichier METAPOST converti en en format pdf par le compilateur mptopdf? ------=_Part_40233_11528484.1073982809281 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Comment doit on faire pour mettre du texte en couleur dans un fichier METAPOST converti en en format pdf par le compilateur mptopdf?

 

 

------=_Part_40233_11528484.1073982809281-- From - Tue Jan 13 18:52:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (rev.pentacom.sk [195.168.92.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0DHqCaW063774 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:52:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0DHqCH3013111 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:52:12 +0100 Received: (from fred@localhost) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0DHqBW6013109 for metafont@ens.fr; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:52:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:52:11 +0100 From: franciszek holop To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: \usepackage{charter}'s ``-'' character Message-ID: <20040113175211.GA12893@pentacom.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 hello, this is the only font list i know (so far) so forgive me if this question is OT, but i thought people on this list make fonts, and so i thought the list could answer this little question that keeps me puzzled for quite some time... it is related to the charter font's ``-'' character. this character has a negative spacing (forgive my non-technical jargon), so e.g. ``e-mail'' appears typeset as ``email'' with a very peculiar hyphen between the ``e'' and ``m''. how is this phenomenon called and what's its function (if any). thanks for your time, -f -- smile, its the second best thing you can do with your lips. From - Wed Jan 14 09:24:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (fixed-154.adl.chariot.net.au [203.87.111.154] (may be forged)) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0E8MuaW092065 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:22:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0E8Mk2L004109 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:52:47 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i0E8Mjhn004106 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:52:46 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:52:45 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] \usepackage{charter}'s ``-'' character In-Reply-To: <20040113175211.GA12893@pentacom.sk> Message-ID: References: <20040113175211.GA12893@pentacom.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ye 2004-01-13 18:52 +0100, franciszek holop skribis: > it is related to the charter font's ``-'' character. > this character has a negative spacing (forgive my > non-technical jargon), so e.g. ``e-mail'' appears > typeset as ``email'' with a very peculiar hyphen > between the ``e'' and ``m''. how is this phenomenon > called and what's its function (if any). Couldn't reproduce your problem in Plain TeX with \font\charter=bchr8r \charter Send me an e-mail sweetie. \bye Looks fine with xdvi and gv. I seem to remember that you can get some such effect if you try to hand-edit the PostScript produced by dvips, but I don't know the cause. From - Wed Jan 14 10:13:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (rev.pentacom.sk [195.168.92.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0E9DHaW006492 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:13:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0E9DFH3032063 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:13:15 +0100 Received: (from fred@localhost) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0E9DFFM032059 for metafont@ens.fr; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:13:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:13:13 +0100 From: franciszek holop To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] \usepackage{charter}'s ``-'' character Message-ID: <20040114091313.GA31389@pentacom.sk> Mail-Followup-To: metafont@ens.fr References: <20040113175211.GA12893@pentacom.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 > Couldn't reproduce your problem in Plain TeX with > > \font\charter=bchr8r \charter > Send me an e-mail sweetie. > \bye my bad. must have been another font. but to see what i am talking about, you could have a look at the fontinstallationguide.pdf by Philipp Lehman, e.g. page 9 paragraph 1 word "step-by-step" -f -- the perfect guest is one who makes his host feel at home. From - Wed Jan 14 10:23:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (rev.pentacom.sk [195.168.92.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0E9NZaW009340 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:23:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0E9NZH3032277 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:23:35 +0100 Received: (from fred@localhost) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0E9NZd3032275 for metafont@ens.fr; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:23:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:23:35 +0100 From: franciszek holop To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] \usepackage{charter}'s ``-'' character Message-ID: <20040114092335.GB31389@pentacom.sk> Mail-Followup-To: metafont@ens.fr References: <20040113175211.GA12893@pentacom.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 > Couldn't reproduce your problem in Plain TeX with > > \font\charter=bchr8r \charter > Send me an e-mail sweetie. > \bye i wasnt wrong after all. look at this example (it's a hungarian poem ;-): % radnoti.tex \documentclass[a5paper]{memoir} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage[latin2]{inputenc} \usepackage[magyar]{babel} \usepackage{charter} \begin{document} \poemtitle{Vihar előtt} \begin{verse} Az ormon üldögélsz s térdeden néked ért\\ ifjú asszony alszik, mögötted szakállas\\ haditettek, vigyázz! kár lenne éltedért s kár világodért, mit enmagad kapartál\\ tíz kemény körömmel életed köré, míg\\ körötted körbe-körbe lengett a halál és íme újra leng! s lepotyognak a kert\\ fészkei rémülten a fák tetejéről\\ s minden összetörik! figyeld az eget, mert villámlás rengeti már s cibálja a szép\\ kisdedek ágyát s mint ők oly vékonyan és\\ sírva sirdogál most az alvó férfinép; hogy álmára fú a szél, forog; dörmög és\\ fölriad! s bámul rád, ki ébren üldögélsz\\ míg szálldos körötted körbe röpke dörgés, mert takaros csata készül itt, a cifra\\ szél beszél felőle fennen és a felleg;\\ jó lesz szerelmed terítni asszonyodra. \end{verse} \end{document} % end amaaq> pdflatex radnoti && pdflatex radnoti look for ``körbe-körbe'' in the pdf (last line of the 2nd stanza. -f -- envy is thin because it bites but never eats. From - Wed Jan 14 11:32:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (fixed-154.adl.chariot.net.au [203.87.111.154] (may be forged)) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0EAWbaW029573 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:32:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0EAWS2L004467 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:02:29 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i0EAWSIt004464 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:02:28 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:02:28 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] \usepackage{charter}'s ``-'' character In-Reply-To: <20040114092335.GB31389@pentacom.sk> Message-ID: References: <20040113175211.GA12893@pentacom.sk> <20040114092335.GB31389@pentacom.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ye 2004-01-14 10:23 +0100, franciszek holop skribis: > > Couldn't reproduce your problem in Plain TeX with > > > > \font\charter=bchr8r \charter > > Send me an e-mail sweetie. > > \bye > > i wasnt wrong after all. > > look at this example (it's a hungarian poem ;-): > % radnoti.tex > \documentclass[a5paper]{memoir} > \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} > \usepackage[latin2]{inputenc} > \usepackage[magyar]{babel} > \usepackage{charter} > ... I haven't got all of this (e.g. memoir.cls, magyar), and I know little of LaTeX. Someone else will have to help you. I simply report that there is nothing wrong with the Charter Roman font here. It prints a normal hyphen without backspacing. From - Wed Jan 14 13:13:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk (mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.0.15]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0ECD5aW062857 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:13:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from pallas.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.8.88] helo=cl.cam.ac.uk ident=[LC/WlXohwKp60kOaf+Y7Ak9KRFbey2Ev]) by wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.092 #1) id 1AgjtR-0004B4-00 for metafont@ens.fr; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:13:05 +0000 To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] \usepackage{charter}'s ``-'' character In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:02:28 +1030. Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:13:05 +0000 From: Robin Fairbairns Message-Id: Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > Ye 2004-01-14 10:23 +0100, franciszek holop skribis: > > > > Couldn't reproduce your problem in Plain TeX with > > > > > > \font\charter=bchr8r \charter > > > Send me an e-mail sweetie. > > > \bye > > > > i wasnt wrong after all. > > > > look at this example (it's a hungarian poem ;-): > > % radnoti.tex > > \documentclass[a5paper]{memoir} > > \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} > > \usepackage[latin2]{inputenc} > > \usepackage[magyar]{babel} > > \usepackage{charter} > > ... > > I haven't got all of this (e.g. memoir.cls, magyar), and I know little > of LaTeX. Someone else will have to help you. I simply report that > there is nothing wrong with the Charter Roman font here. It prints a > normal hyphen without backspacing. fwiw, i installed memoir and ran the job ... and had no problem, either with my old tetex 1.0.7 or with my current tetex 2.0.2 installation. i wonder if an update of franciszek's font metrics is in order? From - Wed Jan 14 17:26:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (rev.pentacom.sk [195.168.92.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0EGQqaW036570 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:26:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0EGQqH3009939 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:26:52 +0100 Received: (from fred@localhost) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0EGQqVq009937 for metafont@ens.fr; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:26:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:26:52 +0100 From: franciszek holop To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] \usepackage{charter}'s ``-'' character Message-ID: <20040114162652.GA9796@pentacom.sk> Mail-Followup-To: metafont@ens.fr References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 > fwiw, i installed memoir and ran the job ... and had no problem, > either with my old tetex 1.0.7 or with my current tetex 2.0.2 > installation. can you send me your output? > i wonder if an update of franciszek's font metrics is in order? i have a stock teTeX 2.0.2 distribution. did you have a look at the fontinstallationguide.pdf? -f -- drinking kills brain cells, but just the weak ones... From - Wed Jan 14 17:50:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (rev.pentacom.sk [195.168.92.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0EGoAaW043557 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:50:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from pentacom.pentacom.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0EGoAH3010333 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:50:10 +0100 Received: (from fred@localhost) by pentacom.pentacom.sk (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0EGoA1q010331 for metafont@ens.fr; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:50:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:50:10 +0100 From: franciszek holop To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] \usepackage{charter}'s ``-'' character Message-ID: <20040114165010.GB9796@pentacom.sk> Mail-Followup-To: metafont@ens.fr References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 hmm, Robin Fairbairns said that > fwiw, i installed memoir and ran the job ... and had no problem, > either with my old tetex 1.0.7 or with my current tetex 2.0.2 > installation. > > i wonder if an update of franciszek's font metrics is in order? bingo. at last i have found out, that most likely the fault is mine. i arrived at this conclusion, because viewing w/gv(3.5.8) gives me the curious backspacing, but xpdf(2.02pl1) does not. i dont know what to do yet, i thought these programs use the same metrics the same way, but this is really OT now, so thanks for your time. -f -- solitude. a great place to visit, a bad place to stay From - Wed Jan 21 16:02:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sunshine.math.utah.edu (sunshine.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0LF1xaW088591 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:01:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from psi.math.utah.edu (IDENT:fJB6ohlciDDthMwc6iAprGTdZDCs5K+R@psi.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.32]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0LF1uJp018714; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:01:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from psi.math.utah.edu (IDENT:n25fa/3emCebPOpVTIsTHMn2H1Ri1xBQ@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by psi.math.utah.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0LF1uCC010970; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:01:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by psi.math.utah.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i0LF1tKf010969; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:01:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:01:55 -0700 (MST) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: liste metafont Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: 3DLDF 1.1.5.1 release Message-ID: 3DLDF 1.1.5.1 has been released: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/3dldf http://wwwuser.gwdg.de/~lfinsto1 http://www.gnu.org/directory/graphics/3D/3DLDF.html [3DLDF is a GNU package for three-dimensional drawing with MetaPost output.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Wed Jan 28 12:16:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law15-f15.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.15]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0SBGgaW037134 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:16:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:16:42 -0800 Received: from 130.37.30.214 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:16:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [130.37.30.214] X-Originating-Email: [koffieyahoo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: koffieyahoo@hotmail.com From: "Koffie Yahoo" To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Boldness and scaling of font Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:16:41 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2732_5319_869" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2004 11:16:42.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[34E65EF0:01C3E590] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_2732_5319_869 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, First, I should say I'm new to metafont. So, the next questions might be easy to answer. Now, what I was trying do was to create with metafont a character I use quite often. It can be found in the attachment. Unfortunately, I have two problems: 1. the character doesn't scale to font sizes greater than 10pt 2. the character looks too bold in comparison with the cm font when I produce a pdf or ps file So, the question is what can I do to fix this? 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So, the next questions might be >easy to answer. Now, what I was trying do was to create with metafont a >character I use quite often. It can be found in the attachment. >Unfortunately, I have two problems: > >1. the character doesn't scale to font sizes greater than 10pt Since you have no lmerge12.mf, Change the .sty file so it scales lmerge10: Instead of: \DeclareFontShape{OT1}{lmerge}{m}{n} { <5> <6> <7> <8> <9> <10> <12> gen * lmerge <10.95><14.4><17.28><20.74><24.88> lmerge10 }{} use: \DeclareFontShape{OT1}{lmerge}{m}{n} { <5> <6> <7> <8> <9> <10> gen * lmerge <10.95><12><14.4><17.28><20.74><24.88> lmerge10 }{} That works for me. >2. the character looks too bold in comparison with the cm font when I >produce a pdf or ps file You can't really get good display in pdf with a metafont font. Acrobat reader (prior to version 6) didn't display bitmap fonts too well. But in fact, all low resolution devices (screens) are going to have a hard time with horizontal and vertical segments (that's when being off by 1 pixel is glaringly evident). GSview therefore gives a result similar to AR. You should judge the printed version. You don't say which you base this comparison on. From here, it looks ok printed by AR5 and GSview. Dan Daniel H. Luecking Department of Mathematical Sciences University of Arkansas From - Fri Jan 30 09:50:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law15-f75.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.75]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i0U8oLaW022561 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:50:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:50:21 -0800 Received: from 130.37.30.214 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:50:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [130.37.30.214] X-Originating-Email: [koffieyahoo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: koffieyahoo@hotmail.com From: "Koffie Yahoo" To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: Boldness and scaling of font Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:50:20 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2004 08:50:21.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[17D46620:01C3E70E] > >1. the character doesn't scale to font sizes greater than 10pt > >Since you have no lmerge12.mf, Change the .sty file so it scales lmerge10: >Instead of: >\DeclareFontShape{OT1}{lmerge}{m}{n} > { <5> <6> <7> <8> <9> <10> <12> gen * lmerge > <10.95><14.4><17.28><20.74><24.88> lmerge10 > }{} > >use: >\DeclareFontShape{OT1}{lmerge}{m}{n} > { <5> <6> <7> <8> <9> <10> gen * lmerge > <10.95><12><14.4><17.28><20.74><24.88> lmerge10 > }{} > >That works for me. Yes, that works, but it it keeps the character at the 10pt size, which doesn't look very nice when the rest of the text is in 12pt. > >2. the character looks too bold in comparison with the cm font when >I >produce a pdf or ps file > >You can't really get good display in pdf with a metafont font. Acrobat >reader >(prior to version 6) didn't display bitmap fonts too well. But in fact, all >low resolution devices (screens) are going to have a hard time with >horizontal and vertical segments (that's when being off by 1 pixel is >glaringly evident). GSview therefore gives a result similar to AR. You >should >judge the printed version. You don't say which you base this comparison on. >From here, it looks ok printed by AR5 and GSview. The comparison is based on what comes out of my printer (Oce 8445) and AR6. What I did was look at the character and the \parallel cm character from latex on which it is based. However, what comes out of the printer looks just as "bad" as what I see in AR6, or the latest GSView for that matter. What I suspect is that this may have to do with the fact that the cm font is a postscript font, while my character is a bitmap font. So, this raises the question if there is an easy way to produce a postscript font from a metafont file. Thanks for the answer, Jeroen Ketema _________________________________________________________________ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/