From - Thu Jul 1 16:55:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (elvenknd.xs4all.nl [213.84.171.68]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i61Esvjw009876 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:54:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49A8177BF for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (glenfiddich.elvenkind.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04638-01 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenlivet.elvenkind.com (glenlivet.elvenkind.com [10.10.0.6]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A7BE176C8 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:54:57 +0200 From: Taco Hoekwater To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Is anybody still here? Message-Id: <20040701165457.16dc30b0@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> Organization: Elvenkind X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvenkind.net X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:54:57 +0200 (CEST) subject says it all... -- groeten, Taco From - Thu Jul 1 17:00:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web52906.mail.yahoo.com (web52906.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.183]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with SMTP id i61Exxgs013467 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:59:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20040701145958.44618.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.95.183.130] by web52906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 07:59:58 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ivan Ivanov Subject: Re: [metafont] Is anybody still here? To: metafont@ens.fr In-Reply-To: <20040701165457.16dc30b0@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:59:59 +0200 (CEST) --- Taco Hoekwater wrote: > subject says it all... > > -- > groeten, > > Taco > Subject says it all too. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From - Thu Jul 1 17:05:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (elvenknd.xs4all.nl [213.84.171.68]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i61F5BKa016847 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:05:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C38177C2 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (glenfiddich.elvenkind.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04642-03 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenlivet.elvenkind.com (glenlivet.elvenkind.com [10.10.0.6]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E74FE17780 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:03:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:05:10 +0200 From: Taco Hoekwater To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] Is anybody still here? Message-Id: <20040701170510.582661e3@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> In-Reply-To: <20040701145958.44618.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040701165457.16dc30b0@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> <20040701145958.44618.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Organization: Elvenkind X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvenkind.net X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:05:11 +0200 (CEST) Ok :) I was a bit worried about the list's continued existance (the last archived message dates from februari 27). On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:59:58 -0700 (PDT), Ivan wrote: > --- Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > subject says it all... > > > > -- > > groeten, > > > > Taco > > > Subject says it all too. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- groeten, Taco From - Thu Jul 1 17:06:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from ns.1qaz.ws (ns.1qaz.ws [209.120.181.97]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i61F6q7L018085 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:06:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iheyo.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ns.1qaz.ws (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i61DPBt22023 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:25:11 -0500 Received: from 140.78.254.52 (SquirrelMail authenticated user wolfgang.huber@iheyo.org) by www.iheyo.org with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:25:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <2332.140.78.254.52.1088688311.squirrel@www.iheyo.org> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:25:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [metafont] Is anybody still here? From: To: In-Reply-To: <20040701165457.16dc30b0@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> References: <20040701165457.16dc30b0@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:06:53 +0200 (CEST) speaking of metafont weren't you developping a math type1-font? Wolfgang -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From - Thu Jul 1 17:14:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com (web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.209]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with SMTP id i61FEIFY023013 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:14:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20040701151417.42875.qmail@web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.2.196.178] by web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 08:14:17 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:14:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick McQuaid Subject: Re: [metafont] Is anybody still here? To: Taco Hoekwater , metafont@ens.fr In-Reply-To: <20040701170510.582661e3@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:14:19 +0200 (CEST) I only subscribed to read the occasional Metapost-relevant hint. It is very occasional! From - Thu Jul 1 17:24:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (elvenknd.xs4all.nl [213.84.171.68]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i61FOVS8029300 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:24:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A34417780 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:22:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (glenfiddich.elvenkind.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04642-10 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenlivet.elvenkind.com (glenlivet.elvenkind.com [10.10.0.6]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F73E176C9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:24:30 +0200 From: Taco Hoekwater To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] Is anybody still here? Message-Id: <20040701172430.496c75d9@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> In-Reply-To: <2332.140.78.254.52.1088688311.squirrel@www.iheyo.org> References: <20040701165457.16dc30b0@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> <2332.140.78.254.52.1088688311.squirrel@www.iheyo.org> Organization: Elvenkind X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvenkind.net X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:24:31 +0200 (CEST) On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:25:11 -0500 (CDT), wolfgang.huber@iheyo.org wrote: > speaking of metafont > weren't you developping a math type1-font? I was. And I was developing an extended logo font. And a symbolic font for navigation in PDF files. And converting various MF fonts into PFB. Not to mention a plethora of tex-related other things .. and then I became overwhelmed ... After nearly two years of absence, I'm becoming interested in TeX and MP, and I will try to get some of those abandoned projects back on track. -- groeten, Taco From - Thu Jul 1 17:31:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk (mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.0.15]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i61FVLZw033660 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:31:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mole.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.8.151] helo=cl.cam.ac.uk ident=[mcM5VMpMz21N4M5kwUUeIhYHjJccXO4M]) by mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.092 #1) id 1Bg3Wr-0001OY-00; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:31:13 +0100 To: Taco Hoekwater cc: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] Is anybody still here? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:24:30 +0200. <20040701172430.496c75d9@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:31:13 +0100 From: Robin Fairbairns Message-Id: X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:31:21 +0200 (CEST) > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:25:11 -0500 (CDT), wolfgang.huber@iheyo.org wrote: > > > speaking of metafont > > weren't you developping a math type1-font? > > I was. was/is this related to the stix project? > And I was developing an extended logo font. take a look at ctan fonts/utilities/metatype1/logomp02.zip before going too much further with that... > And a symbolic font for navigation in PDF files. > And converting various MF fonts into PFB. > Not to mention a plethora of tex-related other things > .. and then I became overwhelmed ... i wasn't surprised: i hover on the edge of being overwhelmed with a far smaller workload. > After nearly two years of absence, I'm becoming interested in TeX and MP, > and I will try to get some of those abandoned projects back on track. good man. i wouldn't have blamed you if you never came back. From - Thu Jul 1 21:57:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from amsfep19-int.chello.nl (amsfep19-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.20]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i61Jv2O8090106 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:57:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hal.chatalicious.net ([62.163.251.252]) by amsfep19-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.00.05.02 201-2115-109-103-20031105) with SMTP id <20040701195701.HHAT11436.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@hal.chatalicious.net> for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:57:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:59:17 +0200 From: Taco Hoekwater To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] Is anybody still here? Message-Id: <20040701215917.7f1b4bda.taco@elvenkind.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20040701172430.496c75d9@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> Organization: Elvenkind X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:57:02 +0200 (CEST) On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:31:13 +0100 Robin Fairbairns wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:25:11 -0500 (CDT), wolfgang.huber@iheyo.org wrote: > > > > > speaking of metafont > > > weren't you developping a math type1-font? > > > > I was. > > was/is this related to the stix project? Somewhat. My math-font started as work for Kluwer Academic, the goal was to typeset MathML v1.0 XML files. That part was functional, but many details of the chosen solution were very idiosyncratic (created for a very specific workflow environment), so the fonts could not be used "in the real world". I retained copyright on the actual font glyphs, and later I continued development on the fonts by attempting to incorporate all of the stix chars and working hard to come up with a sensible encoding for general TeX use. That was a major problem because there were about 1400 distinct symbols/ glyphs involved, and I never reached a satisfactory solution. Current status: I'm not quite sure what I will do with these fonts now. If (when) I want to do something with the fonts, I will need to convert the metafont sources to metatype1 or something similar, because I'm not using metafog anymore for the mf->pfb conversions. I am considering writing an MP extension to create pfa/afm directly from source (if Metatype1 can do it in awk, then surely it can be done in C, right?). > > And I was developing an extended logo font. > > take a look at ctan fonts/utilities/metatype1/logomp02.zip before > going too much further with that... I had seen that, but it is not the same. My version ATM has all of the TEX-TEXT (7t) glyphs. The only real work that still needs doing is fine tuning of the metrics and one or two glyphs. ... and conversion to metatype1 input. > > After nearly two years of absence, I'm becoming interested in TeX and MP, > > and I will try to get some of those abandoned projects back on track. > > good man. i wouldn't have blamed you if you never came back. I had no choice, what with all of you being such friendly people ;) From - Fri Jul 2 03:52:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (fixed-154.adl.chariot.net.au [203.87.111.154] (may be forged)) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i621qavW071303 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:52:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i621qUjO028295 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:22:31 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i621qUtC028292 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:22:30 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:22:30 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Re: [metafont] Is anybody still here? In-Reply-To: <20040701151417.42875.qmail@web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20040701151417.42875.qmail@web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:52:42 +0200 (CEST) Ye 2004-07-01 08:14 -0700, Mick McQuaid skribis: > I only subscribed to read the occasional > Metapost-relevant hint. It is very occasional! Yes. People are here but there is little traffic. -- Michael TALBOT-WILSON From - Fri Jul 2 20:13:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from smtp16.wxs.nl (smtp16.wxs.nl [195.121.6.39]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i62ICxRh045041 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:12:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 351r80j.free.fr (ip3e8350b9.speed.planet.nl [62.131.80.185]) by smtp16.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I0800JHHL9MU6@smtp16.wxs.nl> for metafont@ens.fr; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:12:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:12:57 +0200 From: Christophe Grandsire Subject: Re: [metafont] Boldness and scaling of font In-reply-to: X-Sender: christophe.grandsire@imap.free.fr To: metafont@ens.fr Message-id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040702195941.02a88850@imap.free.fr> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9GwIjur6D6EG/KQ9wZLzzg)"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-20C4DD6 References: X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:12:59 +0200 (CEST) --Boundary_(ID_9GwIjur6D6EG/KQ9wZLzzg) Content-type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-20C4DD6; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable En r=E9ponse =E0 Koffie Yahoo : >Hi, > >First, I should say I'm new to metafont. So, the next questions might be= =20 >easy to answer. Now, what I was trying do was to create with metafont a=20 >character I use quite often. It can be found in the attachment.=20 >Unfortunately, I have two problems: > >1. the character doesn't scale to font sizes greater than 10pt Given that you don't have a source file for font sizes greater than 10pt,= =20 that's hardly surprising. You have to realise that METAFONT creates bitmap= =20 fonts, i.e. fonts that *don't* scale. If you want a certain size, you need= =20 to create it separately. It may look awful, but that's the only way to get= =20 the best typographic quality (you don't scale down or up by just changing= =20 the main dimensions. You often have to fine-tune). Now, there is a way to get sizes automatically generated when you run your= =20 previewer on the DVI file, but that needs a bit more work, a few more=20 files, and I don't understand the process well yet, so I can't give you=20 much information here :( . Look at all documents about LaTeX's NFSS, you=20 should find out how to automatise font creation there. >2. the character looks too bold in comparison with the cm font when I=20 >produce a pdf or ps file Does it look too bold in your DVI viewer? If so, it's simply that the=20 character *is* too bold. It's an artistic rather than technical issue. If= =20 not, maybe you need to update your PDF and PS viewers and see if the=20 problem persists. There are well-known rendering problems for bitmap fonts= =20 (the latest version of the Acrobat Reader has solved many of those though).= =20 What do you use to read your PDFs? >So, the question is what can I do to fix this? I really should get back to work on the METAFONTtutorial=20 (http://metafont.tutorial.free.fr). My work schedule hasn't allowed me to= =20 update it in ages :( . I expect to answer all those questions in it, so=20 that all beginners will have a single source where to find a solution to=20 their problems, but it takes too much time to work on, and I don't have it= =20 at the moment :( . Anyway, good luck!. I hope you'll find help from other people, I just=20 cannot give any more at the moment :( . Christophe Grandsire. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.=20 --Boundary_(ID_9GwIjur6D6EG/KQ9wZLzzg)-- From - Sat Jul 3 02:33:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from coxeter.math.toronto.edu (coxeter.math.toronto.edu [128.100.68.3]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i630XlrC029956 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 02:33:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from laurent@localhost) by coxeter.math.toronto.edu (AIX5.2/8.11.6p2/8.11.0/UTMath 1.0) id i630XjG204362; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:33:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:33:45 -0400 From: Larry Siebenmann Message-Id: <200407030033.i630XjG204362@coxeter.math.toronto.edu> To: laurent@math.toronto.edu, metafont@ens.fr, taco@elvenkind.com Subject: Re: Is anybody still here? X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Sat, 03 Jul 2004 02:33:47 +0200 (CEST) > I was a bit worried about the list's continued > existance (the last archived > message dates from februari 27). There's reason to worry about that archive. But the list is OK; I'm sending Taco about a score of messages March--June 2004 (from my private archive). Laurent S. From - Mon Jul 5 10:08:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (elvenknd.xs4all.nl [213.84.171.68]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i6588eBF023452 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:08:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EF01777F for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:06:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (glenfiddich.elvenkind.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31872-01 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:06:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenlivet.elvenkind.com (glenlivet.elvenkind.com [10.10.0.6]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D9DD11391 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:06:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:08:39 +0200 From: Taco Hoekwater To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: Extended logo font Message-Id: <20040705100839.66c03f4a@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> In-Reply-To: <20040701215917.7f1b4bda.taco@elvenkind.com> References: <20040701172430.496c75d9@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> <20040701215917.7f1b4bda.taco@elvenkind.com> Organization: Elvenkind X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvenkind.net X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:08:40 +0200 (CEST) Hi, If anybody is interested: you can get my current (working) files from http://tex.aanhet.net/fonts/elogo.zip (10k) On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:59:17 +0200, I wrote: > > > And I was developing an extended logo font. > > > > take a look at ctan fonts/utilities/metatype1/logomp02.zip before > > going too much further with that... > > I had seen that, but it is not the same. > My version ATM has all of the TEX-TEXT (7t) glyphs. The only real work > that still needs doing is fine tuning of the metrics and one or two > glyphs. ... and conversion to metatype1 input. -- groeten, Taco From - Wed Jul 14 09:53:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (elvenknd.xs4all.nl [213.84.171.68]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i6E7rSeY077262 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FAF17990 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (glenfiddich.elvenkind.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27441-07 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from glenlivet.elvenkind.com (glenlivet.elvenkind.com [10.10.0.6]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CA9F11391 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:28 +0200 From: Taco Hoekwater To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: MetaTeX project pre-announcement Message-Id: <20040714095328.40ae35b9@glenlivet.elvenkind.com> Organization: Elvenkind X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvenkind.net X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:28 +0200 (CEST) Hi everybody, I am happy to announce the birth of a new project called MetaTeX. The goal of the MetaTeX project is to create a GPL-ed TeX/MetaPost distribution for POSIX compliant systems, in which the amount of distributed files is minimized while the speed of the TeX 'make' process maximized. This will be done by joining all of the needed functionality into a single executable, and putting all of the texmf input files into a single archive file, eventually resulting in a distribution that (in binary state) will comprise only three actual files: an executable, a data archive, and an options file. As a side-effect, standalone packages of C library-versions of pdfetex, mpost and tex{exec,make} will be created. I am posting this pre- announcement in the hope that people who are interested in this distribution (and, possibly, even want to help) will join our mailing-list. See the website for more information on the project, and how to subscribe. http://www.metatex.org Please do not reply to this message in the group you found it in, since any reply you give will likely be considered off-topic, but feel free to forward this message to people you believe may be interested. Greetings and happy TeX-ing, Taco Hoekwater From - Tue Jul 20 17:29:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.gwdg.de (mailer.gwdg.de [134.76.10.26]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i6KFT42p057236 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gwdu71.gwdg.de ([134.76.8.21]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BmwYC-0002e9-13 for metafont@ens.fr; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:29:04 +0200 Received: from localhost by gwdu71.gwdg.de (8.11.1/1.1.29.3/16Jun03-0924AM) id i6KFT3l0000090493; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:29:03 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: gwdu71.gwdg.de: lfinsto1 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:29:03 +0200 (MEST) From: Laurence Finston To: liste metafont Subject: GNU 3DLDF: Request for alpha testers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:29:04 +0200 (CEST) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 GNU 3DLDF: Request for alpha testers. GNU 3DLDF is a package for three-dimensional drawing with MetaPost output. Since the release of 3DLDF 1.1.5.1 in January 2004 I've been working on scanning and parsing routines so that the program can be used interactively. I've been using GNU Bison to implement a Metafont-like language. There's still quite a lot to do, but it's now possible to use 3DLDF interactively to make simple drawings. My current plan is to release the next stable version once it's possible to access all of 3DLDF's current functionality interactively. Once I've tied up a few loose ends and added at least some rudimentary documentation I will start releasing alpha versions. However, I've now set up a CVS archive on savannah@gnu.org, where I'm keeping my development sources. So anyone who'd like to take a look at the current state of 3DLDF and try it out is welcome to download it from Savannah: http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/3dldf/3dldf/Group/ There's still plenty to do, so it would be nice if someone felt inspired to help. The parser is new in GNU 3DLDF, so it's not documented at all in the current _User and Reference Manual_. However, the 3DLDF language should seem familiar to Metafont and MetaPost users, especially if they know Bison. In particular, the file `parser.output' generated by Bison contains, among other things, the grammar in a format similar to the Backus-Naur format used by Knuth in _The TeXbook_ and _The METAFONTbook_. I will be putting documentation in the CVS archive as I write it. In particular, I plan to add an input file with examples of all valid constructions very soon. Unfortunately, mailing list creation on Savannah is currently disabled. However, I will be managing a mailing list "by hand" until such time as it's enabled again. Anyone who would like to be kept abreast of developments should send me an email directly and I will subscribe him or her to the list. Please put "subscribe help-3DLDF" in the subject line. Thanks. Laurence Finston GNU 3DLDF maintainer Email: lfinsto1@gwdg.de Website: http://www.gnu.org/software/3dldf -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA/TmJYhPQ8HN2CLoRAiUMAJ9pCOsWHz7bOjfvpYr//VjZpm2vrwCeI204 HOjzA+uUd968bEtfTxgmTDY= =Fmld -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From - Sun Jul 25 10:52:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr (smtp2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.29]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i6P8qUVM040426 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf0203 (wwinf0203 [172.22.133.30]) by mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 69E2F300032B for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23088900.1090745550424.JavaMail.www@wwinf0203> From: blancdecoeur Reply-To: blancdecoeur@wanadoo.fr To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: programmer en Postscript avec metapost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32572_30265646.1090745550420" X-Originating-IP: [62.39.238.254] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:52:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:52:30 +0200 (CEST) ------=_Part_32572_30265646.1090745550420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Je m'aper=E7ois que l'ouvrage de John hobby pour Metapost est assez incompl= et et ne traite pas la mani=E8re de programmer en Postscript avec metapost= =20 j'aimerais savoir s'il existe une documentation compl=E8te pour savoir comm= ent programmer quelque passage en Postscript avec metapost. merci du renseignement ------=_Part_32572_30265646.1090745550420 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Je m'aper=E7ois que l'ouvrage de John hobby pour Metapost est assez in= complet et ne traite pas la mani=E8re de programmer en Postscript avec meta= post
j'aimerais savoir s'il existe une documentation compl=E8te pour savoir= comment programmer quelque passage en Postscript avec metapost.
 
merci du renseignement
------=_Part_32572_30265646.1090745550420-- From - Sun Jul 25 10:54:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (smtp2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.29]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i6P8s4Ke041240 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf0203 (wwinf0203 [172.22.133.30]) by mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DFE05A000176; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <28942377.1090745644908.JavaMail.www@wwinf0203> From: blancdecoeur Reply-To: blancdecoeur@wanadoo.fr To: metafont@ens.fr Subject: programmer en Postscript avec metapost Cc: blancdecoeur@wanadoo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32587_12439641.1090745644904" X-Originating-IP: [62.39.238.254] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-CC: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:54:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:54:05 +0200 (CEST) ------=_Part_32587_12439641.1090745644904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Je m'aper=E7ois que l'ouvrage de John hobby pour Metapost est assez incompl= et et ne traite pas la mani=E8re de programmer en Postscript avec metapost= =20 j'aimerais savoir s'il existe une documentation compl=E8te pour savoir comm= ent programmer quelque passage en Postscript avec metapost. merci du renseignement ------=_Part_32587_12439641.1090745644904 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Je m'aper=E7ois que l'ouvrage de John hobby pour Metapost est assez in= complet et ne traite pas la mani=E8re de programmer en Postscript avec meta= post
j'aimerais savoir s'il existe une documentation compl=E8te pour savoir= comment programmer quelque passage en Postscript avec metapost.
 
merci du renseignement
------=_Part_32587_12439641.1090745644904-- From - Sun Jul 25 20:34:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mwinf0504.wanadoo.fr (smtp5.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.26]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.11/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id i6PIYiw7003624 ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:34:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf0503 (wwinf0503 [172.22.136.30]) by mwinf0504.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B10C31000479; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:34:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <24318257.1090780484717.JavaMail.www@wwinf0503> From: blancdecoeur Reply-To: blancdecoeur@wanadoo.fr To: Jean-Come Charpentier , "" Subject: Cc: "" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_36827_6042722.1090780484713" X-Originating-IP: [62.39.244.202] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~||~| X-WUM-CC: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:34:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:34:44 +0200 (CEST) ------=_Part_36827_6042722.1090780484713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bonjour=20 > ??? On peut programmer directement en PostScript avec metapost ? Je=20 > n'affirme pas conna=EEtre metapost jusque dans se moindres recoins mais= =20 > comme metapost est construit =E0 partir de metafont et que lorsque=20 > metafont a =E9t=E9 pens=E9, Postscript n'existait m=EAme pas et qu'enfin,= il n'a=20 > pas =E9t=E9 pr=E9vu de commande comme le \special de TeX, je parierai pou= r une=20 > impossibilit=E9 stricte. Quelqu'un me fait perdre mon pari :-) ? > En plus je soup=E7onne des mauvaises id=E9es derri=E8re la demande. C'e= st=20 > pour quoi faire exactement ? Si j'en ai parler c'est qu'=E0 ma grande surprise j'ai pu voir cela sur un = site http://tex.loria.fr/prod-graph/zoonekynd/metapost/metapost.html et donc le code source ,=E9crit en metapost, contient du code en postscript= en utilisant l'instruction special ( " " ); beginfig(229) draw fullcircle shifted (.5,.5) xscaled 18.2cm yscaled 4cm; special( "/Times-Roman findfont 150 scalefont setfont " & "0 0 moveto (ABCabc) false charpath clip stroke " & "gsave 300 0 translate " & " 2 4 600 {dup 0 moveto 0 exch 0 exch 0 360 arc stroke} for " & "grestore " ); =20=20 endfig; =20 Le probl=E8me c'est qu'en voulant compiler directement avec mptopdf cela ne= =20 fonctionne pas et je dois passer par la compilation=20 mp ---------> dvips --------->acrobat distiller pour obtenir une page PDF p= leine =E0 la=20 diff=E9rence de la compilation mptopdf qui a l'avantage de ne faire apparai= tre=20 que la zone rectangulaire o=F9 a =E9t=E9 con=E7u le dessin , cela m'=E9vite= de recadrer =20 Donc j'aimerais savoir comment compiler en une seule fois les fichiers de t= ype *.mp=20 contenant du code postcript pour que le r=E9sultat puisse =EAtre comme celu= i=20 de mptopdf. =20 Le probl=E8me se pose aussi avec Latexpdf qui ne sais pas g=E9r=E9r le modu= le=20 Pstricks et l=E0 aussi je dois passer par latex -----> dvips-----------> ad= obe distiller . =20 J'esp=E8re que les Texpert et les Metapost-doc pourront m'expliquer de fa= =E7on=20 magistral la solution =E0 ces probl=E8mes. =20 M. A. ------=_Part_36827_6042722.1090780484713 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bonjour
 
> ??? On peut programmer directem= ent en PostScript avec metapost ? Je
> n'affirme pas conna=EEtre met= apost jusque dans se moindres recoins mais
> comme metapost est cons= truit =E0 partir de metafont et que  lorsque
> metafont a =E9t= =E9 pens=E9, Postscript n'existait m=EAme pas et qu'enfin, il n'a
> = pas =E9t=E9 pr=E9vu de commande comme le \special de TeX, je parierai pour = une
> impossibilit=E9 stricte. Quelqu'un me fait perdre mon pari :-)= ?
>   En plus je soup=E7onne des mauvaises id=E9es derri=E8re l= a demande. C'est
> pour quoi faire exactement ?
 
=  
Si j'en ai parler c'est qu'=E0 ma grande s= urprise j'ai pu voir cela sur un site h= ttp://tex.loria.fr/prod-graph/zoonekynd/metapost/metapost.html
et donc le code source ,=E9crit en metapos= t, contient du code en postscript en utilisant l'instruction special  = ( " " );
beginfig(229)
  draw fullcircle shifted (.5,.5) xscaled 18.2cm yscaled 4cm;
  special(
    "/Times-Roman findfont 150 scalefont setfont " &
    "0 0 moveto (ABCabc) false charpath clip stroke " &
    "gsave 300 0 translate " &
    "  2 4 600 {dup 0 moveto 0 exch 0 exch 0 360 arc stroke} for " &
    "grestore "
    );
=20=20
endfig;
 
Le probl=E8me c'est qu'en voulan=
t compiler directement avec mptopdf cela ne 
fonctionne pas et je dois passer par la compilation 
mp=
 ---------> dvips --------->acrobat distiller pour obtenir une page P=
DF pleine =E0 la 
diff=
=E9rence de la compilation mptopdf qui a l'avanta=
ge de ne faire apparaitre 
que la zone rectangulaire o=F9 a =E9t=E9 con=E7u le dessin , cela m'=E9vite de recadrer
 
Donc j'aimerais savoir comment compiler en une seu=
le fois les fichiers de type *.mp 
contenant du code postcript p=
our que le r=E9sultat puisse =EAtre comme celui <=
/FONT>
de mptopdf.
 
Le probl=E8me se pose aussi avec Latex=
pdf qui ne sais pas g=E9r=E9r le module 
Pstricks et l=E0 aussi je dois passer par latex -----> dvips-----------> adobe distiller .<=
/PRE>
 
=
J'esp=E8re que les Texpert et les Metapost-doc =
pourront m'expliquer de fa=E7on 
magistral la solution =E0 ces probl=
=E8mes.
 
M. A.
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