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Announcement: GNU 3DLDF Pre-Alpha Versions

GNU 3DLDF is a package for three-dimensional drawing with
MetaPost output.  It is free software and part of the GNU
Project of the The Free Software Foundation.
http://www.gnu.org
http://www.gnu.org/software/3dldf/LDF.html

I am currently preparing an alpha (i.e., experimental)
release of GNU 3DLDF.  This will be the first release to
include an input routine, thus making GNU 3DLDF an
interactive program.  Until now, it has been necessary to
write user code in C++ and continually rebuild the
executable in order to make drawings.

The new version implements a language modelled on Donald
Knuth's Metafont and John Hobby's MetaPost languages, so it
should seem familiar to users of those packages.  For
example, this is a simple but complete 3DLDF program:

beginfig(1);
point p[];
p0 := (2, 0, 10);
dodecahedron d;
d := unit_dodecahedron rotated (15, 15, 15) scaled 5 shifted p0;
draw d;
dotlabel.top("$p_0$", p0);
endfig;
end;

There is quite a bit of work left to do, both on the program
itself and on the documentation.  However, both are far
enough along so that people could start using the package.

I am making my development versions available on the CVS
repository of the 3DLDF project on the GNU Savannah site:
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/3dldf/3dldf/Group/

I have taken steps to make it easier for people to download
and install the package.  The compressed archive file
`3DLDFsnp.tar.gz' in the directory
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/3dldf/3dldf/Group/SNAPSHOTS/
contains all the files needed to install the package.
Alternatively, CVS users can download the entire repository from Savannah.
Instructions for doing this can be found at
http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=3dldf

Instructions for installing and using GNU 3DLDF can be found
in the files `00INSTALL', `INSTALL', `00README', and
`README' in
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/3dldf/3dldf/Group/
I am currently in the process of updating these files, so if
anything in them is confusing, please don't hesitate to
ask for assistance.  Please post queries to the
`help-3dldf@gnu.org' mailing list (see below).

I have started rewriting the _3DLDF User and Reference
Manual_ to account for my changes.  These files can be found
in
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/3dldf/3dldf/Group/DOC/TEXINFO
The files are Texinfo input files, however readers should
pretend for the present that they are plain text and ignore
the markup, because it is not yet possible to generate
output from them.

I will be updating my sources and documentation
regularly and checking them into the repository.  If anyone
has questions, he or she is welcome to post them to the
help-3dldf@gnu.org mailing list.  To subscribe, please visit
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-3dldf or send an
email with `subscribe <address>' in the subject to
help-3dldf-request@gnu.org.

Constructive feedback and reports on problems installing or
using the program would be very welcome.  Please address
them to the help-3dldf@gnu.org mailing list.

Laurence Finston
GNU 3DLDF maintainer
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I want to take some code out of the main metapost file and include it 
with "input diagram.mp".

However if I do that I get the following error:
[matthias@Matthias a4]$ make ps
mpost -tex=latex 'test'
This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2C 7.4.5)
(test.mp (latexmp.mp) (diagram.mp/usr/bin/makempx: Command failed: latex 
mpxerr.tex; see mpxerr.log

>> diagram.mp
>> diagram.mpx
! Unable to make mpx file.
l.46 ^^Ilabel.llft(btex
                        trifft voll zu  etex scaled 0.7,(0,0));
Transcript written on test.log.

the same code inside the main file works fine.

What is wrong ?

Matthias
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Hi,

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:51:53 +0200
Matthias Pospiech <matthias.pospiech@gmx.de> wrote:

> ... /usr/bin/makempx: Command failed: latex mpxerr.tex; see mpxerr.log

Usually the mpxerr.log will contain a simple (or at least comprehensible)
error message, so you should check and see if it helps.

Greetings, Taco

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Am Samstag, 4. September 2004 20:06 schrieben Sie:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:51:53 +0200
>
> Matthias Pospiech <matthias.pospiech@gmx.de> wrote:
> > ... /usr/bin/makempx: Command failed: latex mpxerr.tex; see mpxerr.log
>
> Usually the mpxerr.log will contain a simple (or at least comprehensible)
> error message, so you should check and see if it helps.
>
This is the logfile:
----------------------------------
his is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.4.5) (format=latex 2004.2.16)  4 SEP 2004 
21:31
**mpx4537.tex
(./mpx4537.tex
LaTeX2e <2001/06/01>
Babel <v3.7h> and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, 
b
asque, italian, portuges, russian, spanish, nohyphenation, loaded.
Missing character: There is no t in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no r in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no i in font nullfont!
[...]
Missing character: There is no u in font nullfont!
[1]
! I can't find file `mpx4537.aux'.
\enddocument ...makeatletter \input \jobname .aux 
                                                  \fi \@dofilelist \ifdim 
\f...
l.5 \end{document}
                  
Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
\enddocument ...makeatletter \input \jobname .aux 
                                                  \fi \@dofilelist \ifdim 
\f...
l.5 \end{document}
                  
*** (job aborted, file error in nonstop mode)
----------------------------------

what is so confusion is the fact that the same code in just one file 
works fine. So I assume that something strange happens just because I use the 
input command.

Matthais
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:14:46 +0200
Matthias Pospiech <matthias.pospiech@gmx.de> wrote:

> ! I can't find file `mpx4537.aux'.
> 
> what is so confusion is the fact that the same code in just one file 
> works fine. So I assume that something strange happens just because I use the 
> input command.

LaTeX stops because it cannot find the .aux file belonging to the 
(generated) LaTeX file mpx4537.tex. But I don't know when that
situation would occur. Some kind of permission problem perhaps?

I have not used LaTeX in years and do not have it installed at the moment, 
so I cannot help any further. Perhaps somebody else can.

Good luck,

Taco



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Taco Hoekwater writes
> On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:14:46 +0200
> Matthias Pospiech <matthias.pospiech@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> > ! I can't find file `mpx4537.aux'.
> > 
> > what is so confusion is the fact that the same code in just one file 
> > works fine. So I assume that something strange happens just because I use the 
> > input command.
> 
> LaTeX stops because it cannot find the .aux file belonging to the 
> (generated) LaTeX file mpx4537.tex. But I don't know when that
> situation would occur. Some kind of permission problem perhaps?

I have diagnosed this problem but neglected to send email to the whole
list.  If the error messages in mpxerr.log seem strange, look at mpxerr.tex.
Except for a change in the file name, that is exactly the input that latex
saw when generated the funny .log file.

Matthias showed me the mpxerr.tex file, and it the \documentclass
and \begin{document} lines were missing.  MetaPost does not insert those
automatically since it cannot know what packages and such you want to use.
They were supposed to be in a verbatimtex...etex at the start of the .mp
file.  That is probably what was wrong.

P.S.  It is normal for mpxerr.tex to contain calls to \shipout.  That is
a strange thing to do in a latex file, but it is necessary in order to
produce output that can be converted into a .mpx file.

- John Hobby

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Hi,

I define a macro, named edge, which draw a vertice between two points :
vardef edge(suffix a,b) =
...
...(drawing routines)
...
enddef;
a and b are suffixes created with circleit. This routines is also using 
bpath.

I would like to define a macro that uses the macro edge, but for 
several points. Naming chain this new macro, chain(a,b,c) should call 
edge(a,b) and edge(b,c). I have problem with suffix parameters.
I try this using forsuffixes and a tabular, without result as I can't 
store suffix in a tabular.

Is this possible ?
Thanks.

Jean-Claude


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Hello,

Following a request of my friend I made the file:
%verbatimtex
%\input amstex etex
%input boxes
beginfig(1);
z0=(0,0);
draw(0,0);
label.rt(btex $\frac{1}{2}$ etex.z0);
endfig;
end

Upon mp'ing the file, latexing  and dvi2pdf I got a beautiful
fibure of 1/2.

My friend took my file and tried doing the same but failed immediately:
The error message after "mp foo.mp" read: "unable to make mpx file".

My winedt package was generated from the same CD that he used.

What is the reason of the error in his computer and how can he overcome
it and get fractions in his figure?

Michael



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MASCHLER@vms.HUJI.AC.IL wrote:

> Following a request of my friend I made the file:
> %verbatimtex
> %\input amstex etex
> %input boxes
> beginfig(1);
> z0=(0,0);
> draw(0,0);
> label.rt(btex $\frac{1}{2}$ etex.z0);
> endfig;
> end

1. try to replace
	label.rt(btex $\frac{1}{2}$ etex.z0);
with
	label.rt(btex ${1\over 2}$ etex, z0);

2. it is possible to use
	mp --tex=LATEX filename
but it doesn't work on my computer either

3. you can also write
	verbatimtex \def\frac#1#2{{#1\over#2}} etex;
at the beginning of the file, so that you can use \frac as usually

> Upon mp'ing the file, latexing  and dvi2pdf I got a beautiful
> fibure of 1/2.

Just a remark: once you have more than one "btex ... etex" constructs in 
your file, it can be that some of them will be missing in .pdf (I also 
don't know the reason for the strange behaviour).

So a safer way to go is to use "mptopdf" (it's a part of ConTeXt package 
I think; and if you really need eps instead of pdf pictures just install 
"xpdf", put it into PATH and execute "pdftops -eps filename").

> My friend took my file and tried doing the same but failed immediately:
> The error message after "mp foo.mp" read: "unable to make mpx file".
> 
> My winedt package was generated from the same CD that he used.

The problem is NOT in winedt for sure - the difference has to be in 
LaTeX distribution/installation, but I'm not an expert in that.

> What is the reason of the error in his computer and how can he overcome
> it and get fractions in his figure?
> 
> Michael

Mojca Miklavec


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>> Following a request of my friend I made the file:
>> %verbatimtex
>> %\input amstex etex
>> %input boxes
>> beginfig(1);
>> z0=(0,0);
>> draw(0,0);
>> label.rt(btex $\frac{1}{2}$ etex.z0);
>> endfig;
>> end

> 2. it is possible to use
>     mp --tex=LATEX filename
> but it doesn't work on my computer either

Excuse me, I forgot to include the header - this one should work fine with
	mp --tex=LATEX filename
as well.

verbatimtex
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
etex;

beginfig(1);
z0=(0,0);
draw z0;
label.rt(btex $\frac{1}{2}$ etex, z0);
endfig;
end.

verbatimtex
\end{document}
etex;

Mojca


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In metapost I use latexmp with its function textext("...").
This inserted string is in my files always "\scriptsize"+ 'stringvariable'

How can I implement a function similar to textext, lets say: printtex
that adds two strings, so that the result can be put by a macro inside 
textext() ?

def printtext(text t)=
	outputtext := "\scriptsize" + t;
	textext(outputtext);
enddef;

does not work. It results in the error:
! Not implemented: (string)+(string).

Matthias
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> def printtext(text t)=
> 	outputtext := "\scriptsize" + t;
> 	textext(outputtext);
> enddef;
>
> does not work. It results in the error:
> ! Not implemented: (string)+(string).
>

Strings are concatenated using the `&' operator.
See _The METAFONTbook_, p. 187
(I don't have my MP manual handy).

Laurence


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(resent by Taco Hoekwater, for Karl Berry)

Greetings,

In the past, MetaPost discussion has taken place on this (metafont)
list, among other places.  That's fine, but at the request of various
people, I've set up a metapost-specific list, metapost@tug.org.  You can
subscribe at http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/metapost if you like.

FWIW, we also updated the http://tug.org/metapost.html page with
assorted links and articles.  Corrections or suggestions welcome.

Happy (font|picture)making,
karl


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Hi!

This is a step backward.

I think there is not enough people to create two lists; further metapost is 
a child of metafont and could benefit from it.

Alain Delmotte


A 23:23 18/09/2004 +0200, vous avez écrit :
>(resent by Taco Hoekwater, for Karl Berry)
>
>Greetings,
>
>In the past, MetaPost discussion has taken place on this (metafont)
>list, among other places.  That's fine, but at the request of various
>people, I've set up a metapost-specific list, metapost@tug.org.  You can
>subscribe at http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/metapost if you like.
>
>FWIW, we also updated the http://tug.org/metapost.html page with
>assorted links and articles.  Corrections or suggestions welcome.
>
>Happy (font|picture)making,
>karl

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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:01:51 +0200
Alain Delmotte <delmotte_a@largevision.com> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> This is a step backward.

In my world, progress is generally considered moving forward. Oh well,
at least you agree that it *is* a step. Feel free to remain standing 
still, if that pleases you better.
 
> I think there is not enough people to create two lists; 

The proportion of MF vs. MP interested people is now somewhere around one
to every dozen. Judging from actual questions in the past couple of years, 
the ratio is probably even closer to 1 to 100 when talking about actual 
posts and programming effort.

Fact is, most of the MetaPost related e-mail never reaches this list,
because the subscriptions of quite some active people have become totally 
messed up, effectively banning those people from this list. There is no 
active maintainer for metafont@ens.fr to remedy their situation, at least 
none of us is aware of anybody who is visible enough to have a reachable 
e-mail address. Even so, I had to search quite hard to find posts that are
truly related to MF, on this list.

> further metapost is a child of metafont and could benefit from it.

Kindly point me to some recent metafont developments that could benefit
metapost, then. I'm aware of the fact that I am baiting you, but on the
other hand, I will be genuinely interested if you do have something to
report. 

Greetings, Taco

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I use german umlaute like äöü etc.

For latexmp I use these settings:

setupLaTeXMP(
class="article",
options="10pt",
packages="babel[german],fontenc[T1],inputenc[latin1],helvet[scaled=0.8]",
preamble="\renewcommand*{\rmdefault}{\sfdefault}\newcommand{\textsize}
{\small}"
)


with \inputenc and \fontenc the umlaute should not be a problem.
However all the umlaute disapperar in the output :-(

To add them via "a, "o is not possible - so I need another solution..

Any idea what the reason is ?
Matthias
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